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I was thinking tonight about how I'm not really part of the slash fandom.

Sometimes I wonder how I got involved in all this. This being "the fandom". Specifically the slash part of it. Because, really, I'm not in it at all. Almost everyone on my LJ friends list writes slash. And if they don't write it, they read it. But I don't write. And I don't read much of it either. Or at all, really. I mean, I've read slash. And I've liked stories. But I was never really into it and I haven't read any in a long, long time. And I probably won't anytime soon. Because I'm just not a big fan fiction reader in general.

Basically, I'm not in this fandom for the slash. And I remember being quite surprised that there are people out there who are. I guess there are people who would say I'm not in the fandom then. And I would tend to agree with them. I never considered myself in it. I am a fan of NSYNC. Anyone who meets for any period of time me can tell that. But, to me, slash does not enter into the equation. When I see pictures I don't think Chris and Justin aresoinlove. I don't think JC and Justin are dating. I'm not all about the JoLa. And I don't think Freddy Hernandez is Lance's boyfriend. I'm never quite sure when people are serious about the stuff they say. I just go with the assumption they're not being serious about any of it. Because to me it's all fiction. Which is, in my opinion, the operative word in fan fiction.

And I don't understand the mentality that everything is slash. When I see someone say something like "Please tell me someone is writing this," or along those lines, I don't get it. To some people everything is slash. And to me it's really not. I don't know any other way to express what I think, I just don't get it.

Now, all that being said, I love the people I've met through LJ. And people in the fandom in general. I enjoy reading everyone's journals. I'm not offended when people say stuff about NSYNC, or BSB, or O-Town. Or anyone else I like for that matter. If you think JC is gay, that's fine with me. I just happen to disagree. If you think Justin and Nick are MFEO, fine. I just happen to disagree. If you think Carson Daly is a tool...well, that's fine too. I just happen to disagree. I'm used to not having the popular opinion. But back to what I was saying in the beginning, I wonder how I got involved in all this, what with not believing it and all. I wonder how many of the people I know really believe. I wonder who really believes. I wonder if people add me to their friends list because of who's on my friends list and who's lists I'm on. Because I don't read or write slash. Or even talk about it in my journal. And most of the people I know through LJ do.

I guess the gist of all of that is this. I want to know. Why did you add me to your friends list (or in the case of lurkers if I have any, why do you read my journal?)? I know many people added me because I added them first. But there are just as many other people who added me first. And I'm curious. So I'm asking.


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Oct. 3rd, 2002 10:54 pm (UTC)
Well I added you because I had you on greymatterstoo. I forget exactly why I added you, but I don't regret my decision. I don't really talk to you or anything, but I like to read your journal.

As for the fandom thing, I would consider anyone who likes nsync and posts stuff about them "in" the fandom. You may not be a part of the slash aspect of it, but I would still consider you a part of the fandom. I've been in it since practically the beginning, and I've gradually gotten into the slash part of it. Right now I'm really into it, but I don't consider any of the guys soinlove. Just because you don't read slash anymore doesn't make you any less a part of the fandom in my opinion.

Wow, look at me ramble.

Oct. 4th, 2002 11:40 am (UTC)
Well, I'm glad I'm not boring everyone. ;) heh. It's kind of strange to me, because I almost see the NSYNC fnadom and the slash fandom as separate. but not really. It's hard to explain. It's also comforting to know that not everyone in the slash fandom believes in it. because there are some scary believers out there.

and if you think you rambled, just think about the fact that I probably didn't even say everything that was in my head. I think a lot.""
Oct. 3rd, 2002 11:08 pm (UTC)
i added you cos i met you and you're cool...and i had a fun time when i hung out with you...at my first ever Nsync concert, no less! :)

you're smart, funny, snarky and you make me smile. and you give kickass hugs.

so there.
Oct. 4th, 2002 11:36 am (UTC)
yes, I am pretty cool, aren't I? ;) (and snarky too, apparently. cuz there was snark there.) And I'm so glad I was there for your first (and second) ever NSYNC concert(s). Even if you did try to lick my finger. :) heh. and wow with the making me blush and feel so good about myself. I wasn't expecting anything like that.
Oct. 4th, 2002 04:36 pm (UTC)
i tried to lick your finger?

crikey. i don't remember that. the sparkly ones must've melted my brain more than i thought they did ;)
Oct. 4th, 2002 06:55 pm (UTC)
ahahahaha, yes. after I mentioned that I JC kind of touched my hand at the Grand Rapids show. He just got the one finger as he ran by. I thought you were gonna bite it off and keep it for a souvenier. :) heh
Oct. 3rd, 2002 11:14 pm (UTC)
Just for the record:

1. I'm so fucking proud of you.

2. I love you!
Oct. 4th, 2002 11:41 am (UTC)
Thank you and I love you too. :)
Oct. 4th, 2002 12:05 am (UTC)
Bring it, sister!
I'm pretty sure that you added me first, probably through pinktyrant's journal, though I have no idea, really ...

But! What I really wanted to say is that I totally agree with you. I mean, I don't really consider myself part of the fandom anymore because I don't really follow what's new in the nsync world. But when I was really into the fandom, I still didn't like slash, or fanfic in general unless it was the cute, written-by-a-12-year-old-who-meets-Chris-at-the-orthodontist variety. Then, clearly, it was for the pure fantasy of it, which I could certainly appreciate, and that innocent fantasy which was a nice addition.

I got kicked off of an nsync discussion list that went a bit too far with their slashing for speaking up, and for that I am happy [I feel all first amendmentish, or something] -- and I think that whole time period signalled the collapse of my fandom (not that specific incident, many issues surrounding that time period)

Anyway, take that for rambling!
Oct. 4th, 2002 12:08 pm (UTC)
Re: Bring it, sister!
Yes, I did add you first. It was through the pop rebellion site that I found your journal. Actually, it was through you guys that I first encountered LiveJournal and you, exxiep and pinktyrant were the first people I added to my list. It's kind of sad that the people who I consider getting me into the fandom are no longer part of it. I mean, I was an NSYNC fan before I found your site (and consequently, others like it), but I didn't realize something like "the fandom" existed. So thank you for that. :)

And bring back the pop rebellion! I miss it! *sniff* hehe
Oct. 4th, 2002 05:49 am (UTC)
Did I add you first? I can't recall. But that doesn't matter. I add people and read their LJ because I like what they have to say. I don't care why you're here, you just are and that's good enough for me. :)
Oct. 4th, 2002 01:18 pm (UTC)
Ha! I don't remember who added who first either. :) It's just kind of strange to me to think that people actually read my journal. And that they find it interesting enough to continue reading.
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Oct. 4th, 2002 01:42 pm (UTC)
See, and you were right...I am really cool. ;)

And you are too, you know. Even if you do write slash ;)
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Oct. 4th, 2002 01:47 pm (UTC)
I guess I'll reply to this, because several of the examples you use are essentially direct quotes from my journal at some point.

heh, you know, it's funny. I wasn't really directly quoting anyone specifically. Not on purpose anyway. The examples I used were generic ones that I've seen many times. Though, as far as I know, you were the one who started the "Carson is a tool" thing. To which I say feh on you! ;)

It's interesting to me the different ways people have gotten into the fandom. And I understand the concept behind why people write slash. The thing I don't get is when people see something and immediatly think of slash. Because I never do. But I'm not saying people shouldn't. Just that it's hard for me to understand. Though I have to admit, even I saw the JC/Justin in the *Ntimate Holiday Special. :) heh
Oct. 4th, 2002 02:17 pm (UTC)
Though, as far as I know, you were the one who started the "Carson is a tool" thing. To which I say feh on you! ;)
Uh no, I don't think so. Many people who have no interest in NSYNC whatsoever know that Carson is a tool. It's a fairly widespread opinion. Just for example, we've been saying it on the Fametracker boards for years. (or maybe I should say "they" since I haven't posted there in nearly forever)

But hey, rock on with that liking him thing. You won't have to worry about anyone stealing his pinups from M. *g*
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Oct. 8th, 2002 11:08 am (UTC)
Well. you may not have started it, but you were instrumental in the movement. :) heh

And I still say feh on you! ;)
Oct. 8th, 2002 11:01 am (UTC)
Ahahahahaha. yes, the pinups are all mine! (and don't think I don't have some, yo)

As for the rest, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to take credit from anyone who originally came up with that and give it to someone else. I just meant that as far as I knew she was the first to say it. And it seemed to spread from there. At least from my perspective.
Oct. 4th, 2002 08:03 am (UTC)
I have no clue why I added you because my memory honestly doesn't stretch that far. Probably because someone mentioned you.

My brain does tend to be slash-driven because it's something that I like so thinking about it makes me happy. But more than that, my brain is always, no matter what, spurred by writing. So even if I'm saying 'slash' I normally just mean writing because slash is my favourite thing to read and write.

I don't think you not liking slash would make you less a part of the fandom. But I could understand how on LJ it would seem like it. As long as your dislike of slash isn't some form of homophobia (which I imagine it isn't in the slightest) than I could really care less.

People also have a perception that people keep them for fandom stuff, which I don't think is true. I haven't talked about NSYNC or BSB stuff in my LJ in awhile and I still have people, so as long as you're you I don't think it matters really.
Oct. 4th, 2002 01:41 pm (UTC)
See, it's not even really a dislike of slash. I've read slash. I've enjoyed the stories. It was jsut never a big part of the fandom for me like it is for other people. And I am amused by the fact that almost everyone I know in the fandom are big into the slash aspect of it. It's doesn't bother me or anything though.
Oct. 4th, 2002 10:56 am (UTC)
I don't remember my specific thought processes when I added you, but I suspect it was that you seemed like a cool person, had posted pretty pictures, and sarahchica always speaks well of you. I often pick up friends through other friends like that, although I certainly don't look at other people's friends lists for that purpose.

Basically, I'm not in this fandom for the slash. And I remember being quite surprised that there are people out there who are. I guess there are people who would say I'm not in the fandom then.
That's an odd way of looking at it. There is *NSYNC fandom and there's a subset of slash fans in it (and frankly some slash fans who have *NSYNC as a subset of their general slashfannishness), but to say you have to be a fan of slash to be in the fandom...I just don't see that at all. I think the people who simply listen to the music and go to the concerts are just as much part of fandom as the girls who write Mary Sues and think boylove is icky and they are just as much fans as those who think Mary Sues are stupid and boylove is beautiful. It's a wide spectrum preferences and levels of participation, but it's all valid fandom.

I probably fall into that slasher-first category since I was into it before NSYNC ever got a record deal, but I enjoy a lot of other aspects of boyband fandom besides slash and I enjoy talking to or reading the journals of people who are interested in those other aspects, whether they also get into the slashy side or not. Slash, just like any aspect of fandom (TV, music, whatever), is just a fantasy and it's just for fun. True Believers scare the fuck out of me and when I start getting those vibes from someone, like they start talking about "proof" in an obviously not joking manner, it creeps me out to no end. I probably have a few on my friends list who are inching dangerously close to that line, but as long as they keep it under control...well. I don't want to notice it and I don't actively look for it.

But Carson Daly really is a tool. *g*

Oct. 4th, 2002 04:50 pm (UTC)
Well, you are one of the cool people then. :) I have "met" people who for them, slash is the fandom. And if you don't like slash then they don't wan to have anything to do with you. Which is fine, really. I haven't met a lot of them and the people who have me friended aren't that way at all as far as I know. I was just wondering if because of the people I know, does that affect the way people see me. I imagine that most people who would add me to their friends list because of that reason, would take me off pretty quickly once they realize I don't ever talk about slash in my journal. And true believer creep me out too.
Oct. 4th, 2002 03:33 pm (UTC)
I have no clue if I added you first or if you added me. LMAO. I have a great memory, it's just really short. But, if I added you, I probably had ventured in to the realm of /friendsfriends and read some of your journal and thought you seemed cool.

Sometimes I've questioned my belonging in the "slash" sector of the fandom. I've never written it, and have only sporadically read it. But, on one of my trips to Florida this year, I made a comment about the fact that I don't write it and rarely read it... and I was told "but you can appreciate the beauty of touchy boy love." And, thus being said, my membership was sealed. LOL.

And JC/Tim during the Atlantis concert????? I so have NOT seen that. I need to find the tape and go watch a bit closer. I guess I just get too wrapped up in "Oh my GOD!! That's JC and Tim, my two favorite male vocalists singing TOGETHER!!! My worlds have collided!!!"

And, I can't say that I flat out believe that any of the guys are gay. Bi, yes, I can believe that. And, really, they spend SO much time together, I have to admit that I would be kind of surprised to find out that there hasn't been at least a bit of hand-holding or vanilla-ish experimentation. But, I'm also one of those people who just wants other people to do that kind of stuff so that I don't seem out-of-the-ordinary. ;) And they're all just so pretty, even if they're NOT doing those kinds of things, it is beautiful to picture in the mind's eye.

And I'm on the fence about Carson's toolish-ness. I guess the times that I do think he's a tool is just because I want his job[s]!!!!!!!!!
Oct. 9th, 2002 12:26 am (UTC)
Well, it's nice to know I'm not the only one. I really was wondering if I was like the only person left on the planet that didn't read slash. :) heh.

And here's some nice pretty pictures of Carson to help get you off the fence.

Oct. 4th, 2002 04:19 pm (UTC)
i foget why i added you. but all your posts are interesting. i think thats why i added ANYONE on my friends list. plus you like lance. that just brings everyone together! :D
Oct. 4th, 2002 06:07 pm (UTC)
ahahaha yes, Lance is the duct tape of the world.
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